Transcript of the Recording Spiricom

This transcript is being supplied because many people can better understand new information if they both see and hear. Moreover, some of the tape's excerpts of conversation with the "dead" are admittedly somewhat difficult to understand at first hearing. This is because there is a loud background sound composed of 13 specific frequencies. This tonal mixture is necessary so that the spirit person's voice has something with which to interact and thus become audible in the room where the conversation is taking place and being recorded on tape. Also, of necessity, in this pioneering period, the voices sound robot-like. So, for maximum comprehension, we suggest you follow the words in this transcript, especially while listening to the conversations with the "dead."

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Communication, Instrumental, via SPIRICOM
Excerpt	Speaker	Subject	min.-sec.
1	Dr. Raudive	EVP Voice	0:47
2	Raymond Cass	EVP Voice	0:20
3	Doc Nick	First Breakthrough	2:37
4	Dr. Mueller	Second Breakthrough	1:29
5	Fred Ingstrom	"Drop-in" communicator	3:20
6	Dr. Mueller	Technical Advice	2:21
7	Dr. Mueller	Nathaniel, a Visitor	2:04
8	Dr. Mueller	Sudden Contact	0:42
9	Dr. Mueller	Sudden Termination	0:31
10	Dr. Mueller	Surgery & Death Experience	1:42
11	Dr. Mueller	Carrots & Cabbages	1:45
12	Dr. Mueller	Times does not Exist	0:45
13	Dr. Mueller	Sense of Sight	0:37
14	Dr. Mueller	A Source of Inventions	1:47
15	Dr. Mueller	HIs Book on Electronics	0:37
16	Dr. Mueller	Arthritic Treatment Device Unlisted Phone Numbers Hits Dominant Personality	1:36
17	Dr. Mueller	VIDICOM [Video Research]	1:32
18	Dr. Mueller	"Cannot be here Forever"	0:48


Communication via a "Direct Voice" Mediumistic Person, NOT via SPIRICOM
Excerpt	Speaker	Subject	min.-sec.
19	Sir Wm. Crookes	His Present Perspective	5:36
20	Prof. Charles Richet	Describes the Voice Box	4:10
21	Ellen Terry	A New Way of Life	8:06
22	Wm. Randolpf Hearst	A Tycoon Looks Back	8:16

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INTRODUCTION
    Hello. I am George Meek, Director of Research for Metascience Foundation. I hope that by now you have become familiar with the mind-expanding concepts presented in the "Many Mansions" chart as well as those in the text and illustrations in the booklet, The Magic Of Living Forever and the pamphlet, "A Photo History of Man's Communications Systems." With that background you can better comprehend the significance of the material you will be hearing in this recording. On it I share with you information regarding one of the most exciting events that has occurred in the long history of Man.
    Since the beginning of time, people in all parts of the globe have speculated as to whether or not death was the end. Thousands of years of such speculation, plus the admonition of religious leaders to believe in a life beyond the grave, still left nagging doubts in the minds of all but the most devout. We were told that life after death existed, but no one could ever pick up a telephone or a two-way radio and carryon an extended and meaningful conversation with even one of the perhaps eight billion persons who have lived on earth and then died.
    Well, the message of this tape is that the long silence has been broken. Lengthy, two-way, normal voice conversations with persons who have died are now a reality. They have taken place. They have been recorded.
    In order to report to you on this momentous development, I will divide the information into several blocks. First, I'll talk about the history of attempts to use electronic instruments for communication with the worlds of Spirit. Then, I'll tell you about the first major breakthrough, followed by the second breakthrough. Then I'll talk about the status of present research and its significance for all mankind. Lastly, we will consider plans for further research.

HISTORICAL BACKGROUND
So, let's start with the historical background of instrumental communication with those who have died. If you wish to comprehend the break-through to be reported later, it is really important for you to absorb the background information I will give in the next several minutes.
The story begins about 60 years ago. The idea of building a wireless or telephone or radio that would make it possible to talk to the dead is an idea that has been around that long. Three of the greatest geniuses and inventors of our age-men who helped harness electricity for the good of mankind and laid much of the foundation upon which our marvels of electronic communication have been based-spent the final years of 'their lives trying to develop devices for communicating with the world of Spirit. Those men were Edison, Marconi, and Tesla. They succeeded in much else, but all died without inventing such an instrument. The reason they failed is obvious, at least from today's vantage point. When Thomas Edison died in 1931, scientific knowledge about the nature of energy had advanced very little. The field of solid state physics, for instance, had not yet been born.

    Following in the footsteps of those famous explorers are some pioneers whose names will not be as familiar to you.
    In 1956, two men in California, a photographer named Atilla von Szalay and a writer named Raymond Bayless began an era of what has become known as EVP [Electronic Voice Phenomenon]. They recorded on magnetic tape some paranormal voices-voices that should not, logically, have been there. Bayless reported their experiments in the Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research in the winter of 1959. The announcement made hardly a ripple. Not a single person contacted either the Society or the researchers to inquire about their work.
    But, across the Atlantic, things were about to heat up in the field of EVP research. In the summer of 1959 a Swedish film producer by the name of Friedrich Jurgenson came up with some extra voices on his recordings as he was trying to capture birdsongs on tape in the countryside. Amidst the birdsongs he heard a faint human voice, a male voice speaking Norwegian, say something about "bird voices of the night." Like anybody in that situation would, Jurgenson wondered if the voices weren't just stray radio signals. But the more he listened carefully to his tapes, the more voices he detected that could not be explained as radio transmissions. The voices included some personal messages, such as: "Friedrich, you are being watched." And, a few weeks later, he recorded what he recognized to be the voice of his mother, who had died four years earlier, saying in German, "Friedel, my little Friedel, can you hear me?"
    Jurgenson continued his experiments and published a book about them in 1964. In addition to using the tape recorder with a microphone, he experimented with making recordings from the radio, then studying them to see if he could detect extra voices.
    His book was read by Dr. Konstantin Raudive, a psychologist and author of books on philosophy, who lived in Germany. After visiting Jurgenson and listening to his tapes, Raudive decided to experiment himself in order to answer the question of whether the voices were somehow connected with Jurgenson's particular personality.
    For three months Raudive could detect nothing paranormal on his tapes. Then he heard a whispered, "That is correct," in the Latvian language. This was in response to his remark that Spirit world inhabitants, like those on the earth, might face certain limitations.
    Raudive was encouraged, and he went on to collect a huge number of voice recordings. By the time he published the first book on his work in 1968 he had recorded some 70,000 phrases. Also he had added some new techniques. He learned that if he tuned his radio to the so-called white noise between stations, the tapes recorded at those wavelengths would contain voices. Word of Dr. Raudive's work spread, and scientists and engineers in Europe tried to duplicate his experiments. One of those was Alex Schneider, a Swiss physicist, who helped Raudive develop a new method of recording. The two discovered that voices not heard by the human ear at the time of the recording could be detected on the tape when it was played back.

    Other pioneers who cooperated with Raudive included Theodore Rudolph, a high-frequency engineer who worked for the Telefunken firm. Rudolph developed his own recording device, called a goniometer. Another colleague of Raudive was Dr. Franz Seidl, an electronics engineer in Vienna, who developed a device he called a psychophon.
    Engineers and scientists were not the only people to become interested in experimenting with the electronic voice phenomenon. Many lay people did also, after reading Raudive's book. So many began experimenting, in fact, that a German woman, Hanna Bushbeck, started a newsletter in 1969 to help the experimenters keep in touch and exchange ideas. Today there are more than a thousand people in Germany alone recording, analyzing and cataloguing paranormal voices. One parish priest in Switzerland, Father Leo Schmid, has recorded thousands of phrases.
    And that is only in Europe. Not until 1971 was Raudive's book brought out in English, under the title of Breakthrough: An Amazing Experiment in Electronic Communication with the Dead. It was published by the British firm of Colin Smythe, which is a fascinating story in itself. Mr. Smythe was handed a copy of Raudive's book at a book fair in Germany with the suggestion that he might want to consider publishing it. He turned it over to an associate, Peter Bander, who was skeptical about the whole matter. Until, that is, Smythe himself tried some experimenting with the voices and came up with the voice of Bander's mother, who was dead. The two publishers decided to have Raudive brought to England so that his tapes and his methods could be checked out by scientists and engineers under controlled conditions. Convinced that Raudive had, in fact, come up with unexplained voices on tape, they published the book, along with a record of some of the voices recorded. As a result, many more scientists and laymen throughout the world are now experimenting with EVP.
    So far, I have said little about the content of the messages these researchers are receiving. Frankly there have been serious problems with these recordings.
    First, they are very difficult to hear and to understand. As an example, let me play you a minute of Dr. Raudive's tapes of the electronic voices ...

Excerpt 1

Dr. Raudive

EVP Voice

0:47

Woman:	A request by the experimentor that the voice entities should tell him from where they came, is answered by a voice saying "Seeliges Land. "
Entity:	"Seeliges Land." [copied three times for better understanding]
Woman:	German for "Land of the soul." A voice later identified as that of a man who lived and died in a place called Kiernbach in the Black Forest, Germany, says: "Wartet auf Walter von Kiernbach. "
Entity:	"Wartet of Walter von Kiernbach." [repeated once]

    See what I mean? For one thing, you probably noticed that the voices are about twice the speed of normal human speech, and that they have a rhythm different from ours.
    Then, there is the problem that Dr. Raudive knew many languages: Swedish, German, Russian, Latvian, Spanish, French and English. Some critics of his work have reasoned, therefore, that what may actually be just stray sounds, he declared to be a meaningful phrase spoken in a language many other researchers would not understand. However, in 1981, our Spirit communicators gave us what we consider the correct explanation of multiple voices. They said that whenever an EVP researcher establishes an open channel to the Spirit world where there are many persons who want to communicate, it is as though several grab the microphone and all try to speak at the same time! What comes through is a mixture of words and phrases, often in different languages.
    Then there are the psychologists and experts in psychic phenomena who have proposed some alternative explanations for the voices. The words and phrases could be just messages from the subconscious of someone else, projected, somehow, onto the tape. One director of a nursing home in Germany, for instance, reported recording the voices of patients who were supposedly not conscious at the time.
    Most importantly, even if we assume that the voices on the tapes are those of people no longer living on earth, we have to admit that what they have to say is rather trivial. A person may find reassuring evidence of life after death if he hears the voice of his mother, whom he knows to be dead. But for the rest of us, the snatches of speech so far recorded on tape seem to have little value except to provide one more bit of evidence that life appears to continue on a different dimension after we die.
    Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that Jurgenson, Raudive, and the other electronic voice experimenters were wasting their time. Far from it. The significant thing about their work is that they did take that first most difficult step in communication with an other level of existence. It was comparable to my own first step 57 years ago when I experimented with the only kind of radio equipment available-a crystal of galena and a wire cat's whisker. At the time it would have been almost impossible to convince me that clear, static-free radio communication would be feasible, and relatively soon, too. Within just my lifetime we have progressed from that crude crystal set to TV broad casts to our planet from space devices more than a thousand million miles away!
    So it shouldn't be discouraging that Jurgenson and Raudive's communications with the worlds of Spirit were at first very crude. That is simply the nature of scientific research. Techniques are perfected only with the passage of time.
    The quality of the voices on the tapes began to improve, but very slowly. Let me play for you now an excerpt from one of the tapes made in 1977 by Raymond Cass, a hearing aid specialist in England. The German words following the comment by Mr. Cass are repeated a total of three times.

Excerpt 2	Raymond Cass	EVP Voice	0:20
R. Cass:	Hello! We are still here. We are packing up now to go back to Bridlington and if there is someone here who is with us ...
Entity:	"Der einzige Diebstahl den man begruesst." [The only theft that one could welcome.]

     You'll agree that is a little easier to make out.
    I personally became involved in EVP research in 1971 with a friend who is an electronic engineer and an inventor with more than 80 patents to his credit. He and I opened a small laboratory in Philadelphia. By 1975, we bad become convinced that an apparatus far more sophisticated than what I found then being used in Europe would be necessary. We also decided that it was desirable to obtain help from "the other side"-that is, the active collaboration of someone who bad "died" and who wanted to work with us in achieving two-way communication. That was easier said than done!
    About this time we met William, an electronic technician who bad well-developed clairvoyant and clairaudient capabilities. In other words, he bad the ability to see and hear persons in other dimensions. With his help we made contact with a man who, dead for 5 years, bad been a medical doctor on this plane of lire. Fortunately, Doc Nick, as we came to know him, bad also been a ham radio operator. He suggested that instead of the so-called "white noise" traditionally used by EVP researchers, we should use certain audio frequencies. These would serve as an energy source against which the sounds produced by Doc Nick's vocal cords [in his astral body] could be played. [Remember the electro biochemical diagram on pages 13 and 14 of The Magic Of Living Forever that shows the astral body?] He said the result would be that our ears and a tape recorder would pick up his voice. This suggestion sounded plausible to us because we bad observed that all EVP voices bad to steal energy from radio frequencies, spoken or sung words, music, or natural or artificially created "white noises," etc.

THE FIRST MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH
After same experimentation we bad the great thrill on October 27, 1977, of hearing Doc Nick's first words just barely coming through the quite loud mixture of tones we bad provided as a starting point. To you, hearing it for the first time, this short exchange may be almost as difficult to understand as the EVP voice samples given earlier! Here's the exchange:

Excerpt 3

Doc Nick

First Breakthrough

2:37

Bill:	Try it again.
Doc Nick:	All right. Do you hear me now, Bill? ... Can you hear me, Bill?
Bill:	Yeah, but you make it sound just like ... oh boy ... a robot on Television. [chuckling]
Doc Nick:	Yes, we always will ... when we ... we will ... the one thing ... you hear, Bill. You hear, Bill? page 5
Bill:	Yeah, ok ... uh ... [sounds like Bill is a bit shaken up by the happenings] ... you have to forgive me but ... uh ... I know this is ... you have to admit this is kind of scary.
Doc Nick:	[unintelligible]
Bill:	It's all garbled. I can't understand you.
Doc Nick:	... I said why are you ... leave it alone, leave it alone. Did you hear me, Bill. Do you hear what I say?
Bill:	Yeah, I got it now Doc ... uh ... you asked what I was doing on the Vidicom, right?
Doc Nick:	Yes.
Bill:	Dr. Mueller wants me to get busy on this, you know.
Doc Nick:	Oh yes, that man.
Bill:	Yeah, that man ... uh [chuckling] uh ... You have to forgive me, but it is not that easy, it is not easy. [tones shift slightly in pitch] ... That frequency changed again.
Doc Nick:	Yes, I know, Bill. It is much better now ... I feel [echo effect] I feel ... I feel more comfortable with this frequency . . . Don 't change it anymore. As I told you before, you must be careful of these frequencies. Mark the frequency change.
Bill:	Oh yeah, yeah, sure I am supposed to guess what these frequencies are. I don 't have any way of monitoring these frequencies.

We really can't blame William for being a bit scared when he bad his first communication with someone who bad been among the so-called dead for 5 years. But he showed his own good sense when he remarked to Doc Nick, "Who do you think will believe anything like this?"

Our position in releasing these materials is precisely that of Doc Nick when he replied, "Don't worry about that. It is not important, believe me!" Those who scoff at this information, even after carefully evaluating this tape and the related printed materials, may later find themselves in the embarrassing position of one member of the French Academy of Sciences years ago. He told his learned colleagues, "I personally have examined Mr. Edison's phonograph and I find it is nothing but the clever use of ventriloquism."

If so me of you scoff at our breakthrough, it is probably because Doc Nick sounds a bit like a robot. We certainly agree that he does. But please recognize what you just heard for what it is: A START bad been made toward someday getting continuous two-way conversation, instead of jammed-together bits and pieces of phrases that were characteristic of tens of thousands of the earlier EVP voice recordings.

At about this time it was our great good luck to come into contact with a scientist among the so-called dead who identified himself as Dr. George Jeffries Mueller. We remembered the 2,OOO-year-old injunction in the Bible to the mediums of that day to test spirit communicators. So we checked to see that Dr. Mueller really was who he claimed to be, and we hit the jackpot! He told us where we could find a copy of his death certificate issued in 1967. He

told us his social security number. And he told us intimate details of his life and scholastic activities at the University of Wisconsin and Cornell University, his instructorship in physics at Cornell, and his top-level jobs in government and industry. [His photograph and biographical data are given in our publication entitled SPIRICOM.]
The fact that Dr. Mueller bad written a textbook on electronics and had had a life-long hobby of studying the theory of music enabled him to help us carry the research far beyond the level we bad reached with Doc Nick, and further refine our understanding of the audio frequencies we needed, to arrive at our SECOND MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH. It occurred on September 22, 1980. Here it is:

Excerpt 4

Dr. Mueller

Second Breakthrough

1:29

Dr. Mueller:	William, I think that's much better, right there, William. Now . . . William, did you understand? Williiaamm?
Bill:	Yes sir, I understand, Doctor.
Dr. Mueller:	Very well. I will give you a count from one to ten. One . . . Two . . . three, four five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. One moment, William.
Bill:	Ok.
Dr. Mueller:	Very well then: "Mary bad a little lamb, its fleece was white as snow. And everywhere that Mary went the lamb would goooo. goooo" [deliberately holding last syllable]. Play that back for me, William, [pause] William?
Bill:	Yes sir.
Dr. Mueller:	Play that back für me.
Bill:	All right doctor. I am sorry, I was lighting a cigarette.
Dr. Mueller:	Oh those cigarettes again! [tape skip]
Dr. Mueller:	Did you change it, William?
Bill:	Yes I did, Doctor.
Dr. Mueller:	Very well. I am back about three feet now, I am back about three feet. I will give you another test. One, two, three four, five, six, seven eight nine ten. I'd change that frequency again, William.
Bill:	Very weIl, Doctor.
Dr. Mueller:	One One One, One two three four five. This is somewhat better, William. Play that back if you will.

Well, Mary's "Little Lamb" certainly is adding to its claim to immortality! But since one of the first rules of science is that of replication, nothing could be more gratifying than to have Dr. Mueller's conversation confirm that we bad at last established meaningful instrumental communication with a person who had shed his physical body.

Now, thanks to Dr. Mueller's contributions to the new communications system, we want to share a remarkable conversation with another communicator. What makes it remarkable it that he says he died 151 years ago!

Fred Ingstrom [which is how he identifies himself] says he lived in a rural area in Virginia and died in 1830. Our check of the scanty birth records of that place and time have not yet confirmed his existence then. But as you learned in The Magic Of Living Forever, serial time, as we know it, does not exist in the worlds of Spirit.
When you listen to this next conversation, observe that the quality of Fred Ingstrom's voice, while still robot-like, is vastly better than that of Doc Nick's voice at the time of our first breakthrough.

Excerpt 5

Fred Ingstrom

"Drop-in" Communicator

3:20

Bill:	Could you give me a count of ten.
Fred I.:	One. . two . . three.. four . . five . . six. . seven . . eight . . nine . . ten.
Bill:	Yes?
Fred I.:	Did you . . . did you understand me, Bill?
Bill:	Yeah, I understood you. Let me make a little change here, Ok?
Fred I.:	Ok . . . [rest inaudible]. Oh, boy!
Bill:	What's the matter?
Fred I.:	Oh, boy. Do you mind if I laugh?
Bill:	No, go ahead and laugh.
Fred I.:	ha, ha, ha.
Bill:	Ok, hah ha [chuckling] Lets see. . . I'll make a change here. Now say something. Give me a count of five.
Fred I.:	One, two, three, four, five.
Bill:	You sound more like a robot.
Fred I.:	I do? Well maybe I am a robot.
Bill:	I doubt that very much. I am going to change it back again. Now give me a count of five.
Fred I.:	One, two, three, four, five.
Bill:	Again! Wait a minute!
Fred I.:	One, two, three, four, five. Did you get this. Did you hear me? Did you hear me, Bill?
Bill:	Yeah, I heard you. Wait a minute. [changes pitch of tones] Now give me another count of five.
Fred I.:	One, two, three, four and a five. Do you mind if I laugh. . . I am having fun ha ha . . . let's get this thing. . .
Bill:	[chuckling] Oh boy. Ok. [changes pitch again] Wait a minute now. [coughing]. . . [aside to his wife]: Yeah hon? Ok, sweetheart.
Fred I.:	What did you say, Bill?
Bill:	I was talking to my wife.
Fred I.:	Oh that's right. You are married. Oh boy, ha ha ha.
Bill:	Ok, oh boy, I am glad you have a sense of humor. (tape skip) If you can hear me, you will be able to hear that page 8 because I'll make a tape of it, Ok?
Fred I.:	Ok, oh boy that will be fine, oh boy. . . oh boy. . . that's right you mentioned that. You said you were married. How long have you been married, Bill?
Bill:	About eight years.
Fred I.:	Oh well. . . if l ever get out. . . How old are you, Bill?
Bill:	I am 63.
Fred I.:	Oh boy. . . I had you . . . I thought maybe you are in your 20's, something like that, in your twenties.
Bill:	Well, mentally [ feel like I am in my 20's but when I. . . when I shave, my mirror says: "Who are you fooling, old man "?
Fred I.:	Yes, I know what you mean . . . well, I better get going . . . oh boy, I have to go fight now. Sorry about that, see you later, Ok?
Bill:	Yeah, that's ok Fred, good night.
Fred I.:	Good night.

The following examples of Dr. Mueller's voice are taken from many hours of two-way conversations with him-some of which lasted for half an hour or more. These tapes represent the present limited capability of the electromagnetic-etheric device we call SPIRICOM, a word coined by taking portions of the two words Spirit and communication. [This particular device is called SPIRICOM Mark IV.]
The great value of the technical assistance given by Dr. Mueller is dramatically shown by this next excerpt, taken from a SPIRICOM conversation in April 1981. Near the start he gives his reactions to one of the audio frequencies and then proceeds to pinpoint an electronic circuit problem on the video apparatus on which he and William were working.

Excerpt 6

Dr. Mueller

Technical Advice

2:21

Bill:	Just a minute, Doctor. Yes, I know you are here but I got to . . . I am gonna cut down the volume of these other frequencies.
Dr. Mueller:	Very well, William.
Bill:	I want to cut them down to a level that won't ah . . .
Dr. Mueller:	I am not sure, William but . . . I don 't feel too comfortable with that one frequency.
Bill:	What's that again, Doctor?
Dr. Mueller:	I said I am not too comfortable with that one frequency.
Bill:	Well, we will see. Maybe we can change it later on, Doctor.
Dr. Mueller:	Very well, . . . oh yes, William . . .
Bill:	Yes?
Dr. Mueller:	Ah . . . I think we have . . . a problem with . . . the Spiricom we are working on.
Bill:	Spiricom? Oh you mean Vidicom. page 9
Dr. Mueller:	Oh yes, William. I am sorry, Vidicom. I think the problem is . . . I know that your wife's relatives. . . television receiver, however, William I think the big problem is an impedence mismatch into that third transistor.
Bill:	Third transistor?
Dr. Mueller:	Yes, the transistor that follows the input.
Bill:	I don 't understand.
Dr. Mueller:	The pre-amp, the pre-amp!
Bill:	Oh, the pre-amp?
Dr. Mueller:	Yes, I think that I can easily correct that by introducing a . . by introducing a 150 or 100 . . . I am not sure, William, a 150 ohm one-half watt resistor in parallel with a .0047 microfarad ceramic capacitor. I think we can overcome that impedance mismatch.
Bill:	Oh boy, I'll have to get the schematic back.
Dr. Mueller:	You rather have the schematic?
Bill:	I'd rather mark it on the schematic, Doctor.
Dr. Mueller:	Very well.
Bill:	The schematic is over there in the file.
Dr. Mueller:	Very well. Oh yes, William one other thing.
Bill:	Yes, Doctor?

    I hope you noticed how very specific Dr. Mueller was in pinpointing the problem on the experimental video device on which he and William were working. He said the problem lay near the third transistor in the pre-amp unit. The problem was an impedance mismatch, and could be corrected by using a 150 ohm half-watt resistor in parallel with a .0047 microfarad ceramic capacitor.
    What better proof could science want that Dr. Mueller's mind, memory banks and personality are still alive and functioning in a useful and most dramatic way!
    And now we share an excerpt in which they further discuss our VIDICOM research project. Incidentally, the problems of developing a workable VIDICOM system seem even more monumental than those of perfecting SPIRICOM.

Excerpt 7

Dr. Mueller

Nathaniel, a Visitor

2:04

Bill:	What's that again?
Dr. Mueller:	. . . the television set with the metal screen . . . I didn't put that in the magnetic input from the signal generator in conjunction with the input. . . from the camera to the television system. You understand, William?
Bill:	Yeah, I think that's it.
Dr. Mueller:	Oh, by the way, William. Did you get that multi-faceted crystal?
Bill:	No I didn't Doctor. I got that 5 faceted from Edmund's. page 10
Dr. Mueller:	Edmunds . . . Edmunds?? Who is Edmunds?
Bill:	Edmund is a company . . . Edmund's Scientific.
Dr. Mueller:	Oh, I understand. What were the results?
Bill:	Well, I inserted it into the lens of the camera but all I got was a lot of crazy colors of light, but I didn't get any imagery.
Dr. Mueller:	Oh, I see. Well very good. Well, I think if we follow this other procedure, William, and I am not absolutely sure but I have a feeling that this will help clarify the image so we can discern features of the subject. We have the form, we have the face, we have the . . . we know . . . human form, however, we must be able to discern the facial features, so we can identify the subject. I don't know as yet [talking to another entity] Just a minute, William. [to Nathaniel] What's that?
Bill:	What's that, Doctor?
Dr. Mueller:	No, no William I am not. . . Somebody is talking to you. William, do you know Nathaniel? There is a fellow here, William. He says his name is Nathaniel, he says he knows you and you know him.
Bill:	Nathaniel? I don't know anybody by the name of Nathaniel.
Dr. Mueller:	He says he knows you.
Bill:	I don't recall knowing anybody . . . [by the name of Nathaniel]

You perhaps noted that Dr. Mueller turned aside from the microphone to talk with another spirit person standing in the lab. William was unable to see hirn visually or clairvoyantly; or to hear him clairaudiently. The spirit, who told Dr. Mueller his name was Nathaniel, seemingly could not talk through SPIRICOM. With Dr. Mueller as intermediary, William and Nathaniel discussed boyhood activities, including pranks in which they had both participated more than half a century ago.

The contacts with Dr. Mueller were sporadic. Days and even weeks would pass with no contact-even though William left the electronic equipment turned on. Then Dr. Mueller would pay an unexpected visit like this one:

Excerpt 8

Dr. Mueller

Sudden Contact